Rushed this one a bit. I am very tired. Blame it on Monday. And on the three meetings I had to attend today. Only one meeting tomorrow. One really really long meeting. A few more on Wednesday. Maybe I'll sleep through Thursday. At my desk, so I look like I'm working.
Ah, one of the people running for high office started to talk about "Real America" vs. places which were "real". Those of us who apparently aren't "real americans" got a little ticked.
As for me, I already find it weird when, for example I hear Mexicans say they're immigrating "to America"... As if Mexico was in Europe, or Africa... I wonder when the word "America" came to mean "the USA" ? It's like the rest of the continent was deprived of its name.
I presume this happened because it's a convenient shorthand, and it went to the first takers. "United Statesians" is a mouthful, and "Mexican" or "Guatemalan" is easier to say. There's always "North American," but then you have to ::gasp!:: acknowledge that, yes, Canada exists.
Republican presidential candidate John McCain compounded the "Real American" issue in his reply to a woman at a rally who stated that she was worried about Democratic candidate Barack Obama because "he's a Muslim"--by not just correcting her gently, but also implying that the opposite of "Muslim" is to be a good family man and good American. I don't assume McCain intended to put those in opposition, but he did feed the idea that if Obama were Muslim, that would be a bad thing. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell took the opportunity for someone of high political prominence to address this, saying in strong terms in a major interview that he would like any young Muslim American to be able to believe, just like anyone else, that he or she can become President of the country some day.
I reveal myself as not a Palin-style "Real American" if I say something like, this is the first time it really does seem as if any United Statesian citizen can realistically aspire to that political office.
But then, I don't live in part of "real" America, or a "pro-America" part of the country. I've been told that for years now--even when people in other parts of the country were rallying around the attack on my American hometown--but it took Palin to turn it into the major part of her campaign.
My husband doesn't count as a real American because his parents are (gasp) from another country, and he speaks three languages. Also, neither of us drink beer. Plus, we approve of Science. SHAMEFUL I KNOW.
My big city (Chicago) basically shuts down by 9pm so everyone can go home and get to bed so they can be up early for work the next day. It is the most working class big city in the world. BUT WE ARE NOT AMERICANS.
Hmm... I don't know that one off the top of my head, but I can just imagine. Maybe someone who does have it handy can post it for us, for Mus's benefit, of course :D
Sadly abandoned in 2005. "This is an insanely ambitious project. On this blog I intend to present the Latin text and an English translation of all the epigrams of the first-century AD poet Marcus Valerius Martialis, better known to the English-speaking world as Martial. By my reckoning there are 1565 epigrams together with the five prose prefaces - which at a rate of one a day will take the better part of four-and-a-half years to cover. "
I found this site too, but not the poem I was looking for. I might check the actual number of the poem in question (because I only have the Finnish translation of it), and everyone interested can search for it on- or offline.
ICON LUV! I read some of that. Wow he had a truly filthy mind. A great loss for Rome when he passed. I wonder if there's any English translations about that can also provide context.
We're lucky to have several esteemed Latinists in Finland and thus many good translations with context explanations around.
My version explains that all the practices were truly common in Rome, while others more so than others and some less accepted, and so Martialis just picks on those he thinks are somewhat less... honourable. And he has loads and loads of the same stuff. Go for it.
I read some Latin, but I need a dictionary and a commentary with me all the time, so I prefer to read everything with the original text and the translation in the same book or at least both open at the same time.
In fact, in the Lewis and Short lexicon under "awkward," the Latin translation is, roughly, "handing your cousin Mus over to drunken debauchery with a female prostitute for his stag party." But the Latin says that in one word.
ah, Latin really is such a concise language. Granted though, in my four years of high school Latin I learned about 3 or 4 different ways to say kill (one was on our first vocab list) and various weapons and different ways to say those as well...
Aw, Menander knows where Mus' heart and loyalties lie. Actually, he probably doesn't really know. He's not exactly in the most secure position, what with him being an aging pretty-boy slave and all that. Sniffle.
Hmm... Should I work or should I draw? I guess I have to work... will try to finish up something for this evening. Pesky job keeps putting me in meetings all day so I have to catch up on deadlines all evening before I pass out early :P
1. Add large "$150,000" price tag to my outfit and call it a costume. 2. Hand out candy and mummy books to kids for a couple of hours. 3. Attempt to draw. 4. Pass out around 9pm.
My social life is so exciting and full of adventure! I am much in demand!
I suppose he has been letting the stress get to him a bit too much, and maybe has been trying to match alcohol-tolerance levels too much with his new big buddy Vibius... But I'm sure he'll work it all out of his system after the gigantic multiple-day party he intends to turn Mus's wedding celebration into. He can sober up when he gets to Pompeii and needs to have a clear head for balancing account ledgers.
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Rushed this one a bit. I am very tired. Blame it on Monday. And on the three meetings I had to attend today. Only one meeting tomorrow. One really really long meeting. A few more on Wednesday. Maybe I'll sleep through Thursday. At my desk, so I look like I'm working.
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Date: 2008-10-28 03:57 am (UTC)(Did someone make sure Papa Mouse doesn't ever, ever, ever, ever find out about this?)
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Date: 2008-10-28 01:30 pm (UTC)Content Warning: Political Discourse
Date: 2008-10-28 01:36 pm (UTC)Republican presidential candidate John McCain compounded the "Real American" issue in his reply to a woman at a rally who stated that she was worried about Democratic candidate Barack Obama because "he's a Muslim"--by not just correcting her gently, but also implying that the opposite of "Muslim" is to be a good family man and good American. I don't assume McCain intended to put those in opposition, but he did feed the idea that if Obama were Muslim, that would be a bad thing. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell took the opportunity for someone of high political prominence to address this, saying in strong terms in a major interview that he would like any young Muslim American to be able to believe, just like anyone else, that he or she can become President of the country some day.
I reveal myself as not a Palin-style "Real American" if I say something like, this is the first time it really does seem as if any United Statesian citizen can realistically aspire to that political office.
But then, I don't live in part of "real" America, or a "pro-America" part of the country. I've been told that for years now--even when people in other parts of the country were rallying around the attack on my American hometown--but it took Palin to turn it into the major part of her campaign.
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Date: 2008-10-28 02:51 pm (UTC)Re: Content Warning: Political Discourse
Date: 2008-10-28 03:06 pm (UTC)I seem to be a bit of a Roman imperialist. Also, I drink tea.
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Date: 2008-10-28 03:11 pm (UTC)My big city (Chicago) basically shuts down by 9pm so everyone can go home and get to bed so they can be up early for work the next day. It is the most working class big city in the world. BUT WE ARE NOT AMERICANS.
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Date: 2008-10-28 08:51 pm (UTC)Sadly abandoned in 2005. "This is an insanely ambitious project. On this blog I intend to present the Latin text and an English translation of all the epigrams of the first-century AD poet Marcus Valerius Martialis, better known to the English-speaking world as Martial. By my reckoning there are 1565 epigrams together with the five prose prefaces - which at a rate of one a day will take the better part of four-and-a-half years to cover. "
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Date: 2008-10-29 11:48 am (UTC)Just for scholarly purposes.
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Date: 2008-10-29 12:28 pm (UTC)We're lucky to have several esteemed Latinists in Finland and thus many good translations with context explanations around.
My version explains that all the practices were truly common in Rome, while others more so than others and some less accepted, and so Martialis just picks on those he thinks are somewhat less... honourable. And he has loads and loads of the same stuff. Go for it.
I read some Latin, but I need a dictionary and a commentary with me all the time, so I prefer to read everything with the original text and the translation in the same book or at least both open at the same time.
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Date: 2008-10-28 12:02 pm (UTC)Drunken party GO!
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Date: 2008-10-28 02:13 pm (UTC)I don't think Felix knows any other kind of party.
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Date: 2008-10-30 02:03 pm (UTC)Hmm... Should I work or should I draw? I guess I have to work... will try to finish up something for this evening. Pesky job keeps putting me in meetings all day so I have to catch up on deadlines all evening before I pass out early :P
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Date: 2008-10-31 02:19 pm (UTC)1. Add large "$150,000" price tag to my outfit and call it a costume.
2. Hand out candy and mummy books to kids for a couple of hours.
3. Attempt to draw.
4. Pass out around 9pm.
My social life is so exciting and full of adventure! I am much in demand!
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Date: 2008-10-29 09:04 pm (UTC)but I suppose I need to keep in mind he's trying to celebrate for Mus to the fullest. :P
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