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SPQR Blues ([personal profile] spqrblues) wrote2007-10-13 02:05 pm

I blame the tools

A minor rant on packaging of supplies for comics artists, with boobs.

ProfessionalThis is the old packaging for the illustration board I usually use to draw the comic.

Simple, professional, and you don't have to feel goofy when you buy it, because you are totally a serious artist, and stuff.


ProAnd this is the boobified new packaging.

While I understand the marketing reasoning for going with the gigantic eyes and the water-balloon boobs, I'd never pick this up in a comic store, an art-supplies store, or from a convention table. But, of course, I'm not the demographic they're marketing to.

It's not a cheap product (though it looks cheap, now—ooh, see how I used the two connotations of the word—burn). I'd think if you need the more expensive stuff (it holds up pretty well to eraser abuse), you wouldn't need boobages to attract you to the product, you'd simply buy what you need. But maybe they'd like to get artists who don't consider themselves professional level to upgrade to the heavier stuff; one-ply Bristol Board being a gateway drug, and all. In fact, I don't know why they don't just indicate the ply of the paper by the size of the cup.

Good thing there's mail order. I guess.

[identity profile] barbaricyawp.livejournal.com 2007-10-13 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Ack! That's so annoying. What's the deal with alienating their women customers? You won't be the only dissatisfied user. I bet someone seriously underestimated their customer demographic. Idiots...

When I was in DC and wanting to learn how to draw better, I saw a book on figure drawing at the National Gallery of Art. Nearly all of the naked bodies in the book are female, and some of them are in just ridiculous poses. The very few men are Ward Cleaver types -- stiff, stalwart and boring. I ended up buying it reluctantly because there wasn't anything else suitable, but it was annoying.

My great aunt Nell was an artist, and I have a print of hers from the 1940's era, a watercolor of a naked man wearing a jock strap. I bet she made the sketch at one of those figure drawing classes. She was a seriously cool woman.

Where are the figure-drawing books for people who'd rather draw men's bodies? Somebody start marketing stuff to ME, dammit!

You know, some artist could really make a bundle by writing a 'figure-drawing' guide with mostly naked men.

That poor woman!

(Anonymous) 2007-10-13 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
That poor doe-eyed, hypertrophied model on the cover! Look how she has to lean backwards and brace to avoid going head over heels into the brink. One has to pity such mortals as these.
So I have to assume the people who peddle this stuff think all artists and comic lovers are adolescent males? Zu Schade! DRW

Re: That poor woman!

[identity profile] meritahut.livejournal.com 2007-10-13 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm guessing they think artists and comic lovers are males ages 18-39 :P

I wasn't sure if you'd be able to tell from the scan of the catalogue just how huge the woman's eyes are. Perhaps they are wide with pain from her aching back.

[identity profile] meritahut.livejournal.com 2007-10-13 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Hurrah for Great Aunt Nell.

Believe me, I've been hunting around for figure drawing guides that aren't:

two-thirds (or more) female figures
women in submissive, slinky, or "delicate" poses
women in fan-service poses
only the men in active/action poses

I like Giovanni Civardi's reference books, but (surprise) his book Drawing the Female Nude or the generic Drawing Human Anatomy are the only ones I can ever find in stores or online, and Drawing the Male Nude appears to be out of print or just very hard to track down. Drawing Human Anatomy is marvellous in that it is primarily images of male figures, young and old, but it is way too scanty.

I think a figure-drawing guide with only naked men, in both active and submissive poses, would be TERRIFIC. I wish I had the skills to do it myself. And then a second book showing women in all manner of active poses, women of all sorts of body types, so artists can see how boobs and hips really work.

[identity profile] quirkybird.livejournal.com 2007-10-13 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Ask around for the various excellent drawing guides from the '50s that exist only in scanned form online from Russian art students.

[identity profile] meritahut.livejournal.com 2007-10-13 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
What an amazing thing to know about. I'll start googling.

(Bear icon was intended for the stunned expression, not in reference to Russia, but why not both.)

[identity profile] barbaricyawp.livejournal.com 2007-10-14 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Good tip -- thanks!

[identity profile] barbaricyawp.livejournal.com 2007-10-14 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the book info! I'll be on the lookout for them. And you're so right about the differences in how figures are posed -- it's pretty biased, and there aren't nearly enough women in action. I think I'll look at sports photos for good models to copy.

[identity profile] meritahut.livejournal.com 2007-10-14 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
I forgot one: If it turns out you like Civardi's approach, also look for his Drawing the Human Body. It uses mostly the same models and some of the same drawings as Drawing Human Anatomy, but Anatomy is censored to blank out the boy parts. I think Body may be meant as a combination and condensation of the other three books, but I'm not sure since I haven't seen the Male Body book and didn't pick up Female Body since there are (as noted) a plethora of female figure models everywhere else. There aren't a wide variety of complete full body poses in Body, but it's useful for combining distinct elements (a turn of the head, a stretch of the arm, the rotation of a torso) into one pose. And one of the models could almost be Felix. If you give him a stronger chin. And more of a pout. And a different forehead. And different hair. And...

(Okay, I am now officially too sleepy to make much sense. New pencils (http://www.spqrblues.com/images/pencils.png) are posted, and maybe I can wake myself up sufficiently to ink :P )

[identity profile] meritahut.livejournal.com 2007-10-14 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
My favourite title from that list is "Fun With a Pencil" :)

When I was a wee thing and did not know of the concept of figure-drawing books, I used to peruse selections from Leonardo's drawings trying to figure out the figures. Not so bad for learning grotesques, heroes, and where to put the intestines.

[identity profile] slithytove.livejournal.com 2007-10-14 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Demonoid also has quite a lot of stuff. Much of it not what you're looking for, I'm sure, but there might be some good stuff in amongst the dross. Let me know if you want an invitation code.

[identity profile] meritahut.livejournal.com 2007-10-14 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow.

may I have an invitation code please?

[identity profile] slithytove.livejournal.com 2007-10-14 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Sent to the last email address I have for you.

If it doesn't get to you, email me: j D0T schoffstall AAATTT pobox D0T com. Or the address on my LJ info page.

[identity profile] slithytove.livejournal.com 2007-10-16 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, mail is bouncing off the klio.net address. I don't have a good address for you. Just email me, and I'll get one out to you.

[identity profile] meritahut.livejournal.com 2007-10-16 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Someone else mentioned bouncing today. I'll go see if I can fix it :(

And I'll e-mail you too.... :)